Cafe Discussion #8

Group Members: McKenzie, Hannah, and Sarah

Written By: McKenzie


We talked a little more on the article “The Postcolonization (Latin) American Experience: A Reconsideration “Postcolonialism,” of “Colonialism,” and “Mestizaje””   written by J. Jorge Klor De Alva. During our talks we talked about the various topics we discussed in our groups during class discussion and what it meant when it comes to needing a better understanding of the article from class discussion and our smaller discussion. One of the things we talked about was the acknowledgement of the different types and levels of Creole. While this was something a little foreign to Myself, Sarah was familiar with this. However, the comparison to race was something that was a bit more understandable, for example a white person and a black person having a child means that the child is black in the understand within society.

Our conversation mostly centralized around colonization, well decolonization to be more accurate. We discussed that even after these countries gained independence they still needed a lot in order to truly decolonize. This can be seen in the way and style education is based upon, most often from the model of its coloniser. For example in Kenya, the drinking of tea, while it could just be personal preference, is also something introduced by the British who colonized the country.

On the other hand, Klor de Alva mentions on page 242 that there is no need to decolonize from certain levels because it is the in part the creation of the country that is known and present today, because of the lasting influence from the colonizing country. While the British more often than not conquered for land and capital, Spain conquered to enrich and spread their own culture, and the spreading of the Catholic religion. Often, Spaniards would intermarry which in return caused for the people within the colony to be rooted in the mother country.

We talked a lot of the lasting difference within these previous colonies, focusing on Kenya and Senegal because of our previous  study abroad experience.  This can be seen in the languages that are considered the “national” English in Kenya and French in Senegal, which is apart from what the people within the country speak to one another on a daily basis. In Kenya an average breakfast that Hannah and I experienced was tea, with bread and butter or tea cakes. While in Senegal Sarah experienced a baguette with spread product similar to nutella but made with peanuts.

Overall we talked the different types of and reasons for colonization, the two we saw as most common would be culture versus resources. Another way to understanding this would be spreading of their culture as compared to land grabbing, this shift can be seen on page 254.

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